CLASSIC ALBUM......

[FOKI26]

Went digging in the old CD collection last night and pulled out a real gemhttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley16.gif;


-TEK9 (Aka Dego from 4Hero) - It's not what you think it is LP - SSR/Reinforced.


Classic early jungle, breaks, and hip hop across 2 CD's that just sounds fantastic, the edits on the drums are proper on pointhttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley32.gif.


This album clearly shows where Goldie (or whoever actually did write the Timeless album:smiley3:) got a lot of ideas, and inspiration from.


If you can still get hold of this i strongly advise it, its' worth it for the sublime 'Pushing Back' track alone. There's also remixes from Nookie, and Manix (remember their classic track 'I can't stand it', that has just been re-pressed on Reinforced).


This is jungle when it really was junglehttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley10.gif

[Tobes]

i dont recognise the name but i must have heard it man, shouldnt i?http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley5.gif


so what foax you think goldie got rob playfod to make all his tunes? i know he ripped him off then threatened to have him killed :smiley3:theres no way i would let that gold tooth man threaten my life f**k him, i would porn his teeth http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[FOKI26]

Not sure if it's one you'll have heard or not, itwasn't a big album at the time, very, verygood tho.





As for the whole Goldie deal, apparently most of the album was done by Rob with Goldiebascially sat in chair at the side advising him what he wanted..... (that's just what i heard/read, i don't want killing either !!!!:smiley3:)





Obviouslythis is very important, but when you listen to the tracks on that album and take note of how many little edits have been done to the drums, and everything else then it's obvious really that only the person twiddling the knobs and doing the programming could've come up with those bits.





Goldie is the first to admit he's not a technical person, and is more of an ideas man..... but to me that album sounded like a piece of technical genius to me, and not just a few good ideas.


However, Goldie is still a don in my eyes, and the few tunes of his own that he does put out these days out are always good (even if totally different or damn right wierd!)


....And too right Tobes, i'll have those teeth out in a minute if he ever comes round to my gaff.....http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley7.gif!!!!!

[tumbleweed]

Ive got a tape of a tek9 album trouble is theres no title on it used to love the 4hero stuff way ahead of there time man


On the subject of the 1st goldie album I never really liked it that much too elaborate,didnt live up to expections (like a lot of other artist albums of the time)& not very accessable imo Im sure theres plenty who'd disagree mind you I havent listen to it in years I may feel differant now...

[FOKI26]

Not sure what how you mean by it didn't live upto expectations..... personally i don't think there's ever been anything made since that has reached that standard, be it techncially, musically or emotionally...





Whether it was Goldie or not who made it, you can't take away the fact that it was an absolute masterpiece.





Not a dig at you (i respect your opinion), but you're the first person i've ever heard say a bad comment about that album, i really am shocked.:smiley3:





Each to their own tho, innit !

[FOKI26]

Can i ask, what it was you didn't like about it?


Edited by: FOKI26

[tumbleweed]

yeah I know what youre saying most people would agree with you I should think


What I mean by my expectations put simply I was gaggingfor it whan it came out but was a bit disappointed when I heard it.Not taken anything away from goldie (rufige kru tuneshttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/zaberdust.gif)or rob playford, Im not a huge fan of artist albums period I never have been TPower can pull it off & a couple of others Timeless is a master piece no 2 ways about it but not really my cup of tea (prehaps I ought to listen to it again)http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley5.gif

[tumbleweed]

I dont produce or anything soI cant reallyappreicate the work that went it to producing it only what I read, but I love this music because sometimes I'll hear a tune or 2 in a dj's set that totally rocks me sendsme right over the edge when I go out thats what Im lookin for especially as I dont takepills anymore. Its the same when I get some music at home I honestly havent got the time to trail through track after track of inaccessable music Im not looking to meditate when I listen to music Im looking for a lift.Its often the very simple tunes that float my boat


I liked guy called geralds album secret black technology tho also Blame & Justice album Icons cant remember why as I havent heard them for years eitherhttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif


whats that tek9 album called?I have the tape in front of me now so I can fill in the label at lastEdited by: tumbleweed

[tumbleweed]

While looking for the goldie album I found another 4Hero off shoot album Jasons Optical Stairway in my tape collect wayway ahead of its time well worth checkin out

[FOKI26]

Yeah, feeling the Guy Called Gerald album also, only played that one the other week also.... (got a wicked old tape of him off Radio 1 also, with Navigator and Normski....)





The Tek 9 album is called 'It's Not What You Think It Is'.





As for the Jacob's Optical Stairway, yeah got their album of the same name also, not sure of this was both of 4 Hero, or just one of them.... all good stuff tho !





Shame you weren't impressed by Timeless, like you said maybe an idea to give it another listen (which version you got; black or white ?). The black one is much better (more tracks, and A Sense of Rage-Sensual VIP Mix which is much better than the mix on the white version)

[tumbleweed]

I dunnoits on tdk no tracklist nothinghttp://www.itstooloud.com/webwiz/smileys/smiley36.gifI didnt know there were 2 versions either!When I think about it...Tpowers & the 4hero albums arnt what I'd call accessable either but they were head & shoulders abovewhat was going on at the time quiet mad sh*t really.Better give them a listen later as well:smiley4:

[FOKI26]

Which T-Power album is it..... i can remember picking one of his up years ago that i used to listen to a lot....very atmospheric with crazy jungle snippets every now and again....





Think that one's gone into storage tho as it was a vinyl copy i had (red vinyl from what i remember also !!!!!)





By not being accessible, i think i know what you mean (it doesn't instantly draw you in). These tunes are usually the best i find as the ones with the catchy hooks soon get boring onthe ears, iprefer something with a bit of depth, something you can listen to a million times over and still hear something different in it.





Not a dNb album, but an album i absolutely love, andrecomend everybody should listen to atleast oncein their life just for the all round rollercoaster ride of utter musical nutterness is the Avalanches album 'Since i Left You'that came out about 2 years ago (maybe longer).


Not to everybody's taste, but a fantasticexample of their top qaulity production talents, along with DJ Dexter (of DMC fame)


This is sampladelia at it's best.....a real feel good album also.

[tumbleweed]

Dont laff both I have here are on tdk 1 says Tpower(1st album) dunno if it ishttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif


& Tpower part2!! dont ask me why but I went throughthis stage of not writting anything on my tapeshttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley11.gifI suppose when you ask a mate to rip it you cant ask him to write the tracklist as well it seems they couldnt be arsed to write the title either


still adds an air of mystery to my tape collectionhttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[FOKI26]

I've got boxes of tapes like that also mate..... Just leave 'em alone (sometimes it's best not to know what they arehttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley9.gif)





If you want to find out what those albums were, i think they probs came out on the SOUR label (Sounds of the Underground Resistance, or some't like that !)


It's the same with my records also, cos i've bought records probably every week for the past 15 years i've picked up loads of white labels and not bothered to write on them... I used to recognise them from the shade of white they were, or the smudgy mark where my fingers had been....madness !





Luckily when i moved out of my parents a few years back i put about 10 crates full into storage.... so i can forget about them for now.....

[tumbleweed]

http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif@ shade of white/smudgy mark

[FOKI26]

Yeah, yeah...... i see what you're getting at....http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley32.gif


i love my vinyl, but not that much !!!!!!

[tumbleweed]

with me I thought I was being cool with vinyl its more about being secretive init?

[FOKI26]

Defo,It's always good keepingstuff under wraps from other Dj's....


It's like competition, and you've got the advantage if you've got a secret tune, or a limited copy of some't that nobody else can get.

[jnr_bryson]

thought this may interest some of you, it's rob playford talking about timeless:


"Neither Goldie nor myself are musicians, or would ever claim to be musicians, but we have in our heads what we want to hear. If we could actually play the damn instruments, I'm sure we'd be dangerous, but we can't. It's kind of frustrating at times, but I think the more knowledge you have in one area, the more it can stifle your creativity in others.

"Goldie has a very vivid imagination, and knows nothing about the technical side of the process. Meanwhile, my imagination has been stunted by the familiarity I have with the electronics. If I'm sitting here on my own and I have an idea for a track, I go through this whole process of whether I should bother doing it or not. If there's someone beside you like Goldie, who comes up with the same idea, but can't realise it, then you want to show what you're capable of -- it becomes a challenge.

"Goldie and I both came through similar musical experiences at the end of the 80s and in the early 90s, so he could describe things to me that others wouldn't begin to understand; it was a very special chemistry. I would then have a go at it, and he'd get excited that here was somebody who could turn this sound or style in his head into something that he could actually hear. I was like an interface, but an interactive one; I could see the direction he was going in and try and take him that little bit further with my knowledge of the gear. Then that extra step would kick him up onto another level. That's my role; being able to understand what someone is telling me and not just doing it, but showing them what else the technology is capable of, based on that seed of an idea.

"What we're producing here is moving into territory which people haven't seen or heard before, and it suits me not being a musician, because you're not limited by any rules; you're not worried about whether that key isn't meant to go there or whatever. There are certain cases where talented people going through the writing process will have doors shut on them way too early; you'll be told that this chord doesn't work with that, for example, but if you perservere, what you end up with after you've processed it and done all your trickery is something that does work. The point is to keep going; just be aware that you're not finished yet.

"For good or bad, musicians generally do have certain protocols programmed into them. If I was a musician, I don't know whether I'd be particularly broad-minded, which makes me reticent to even begin learning the basics. It might just destroy what I've got."

'Timeless' is the single that kicked it all off for Goldie. At 21 minutes long, it's a drum & bass epic; over three intricately interwoven movements it evolves and deconstructs, giving drum & bass class whilst also demonstrating it at its most brutal. Without 'Timeless', Rob could still be working from home, and Goldie could still be like any of the other gold-toothed, peroxide-haired guys you can see redecorating city library walls with aerosol cans. So how did this opus come about?

First of all, we had the idea for the strings. Goldie wanted to have a string part playing, and then have that sound bend away, leaving another note to take over. Of course, all you need is the same sound set up on different MIDI channels on your synth, but until then no-one had shown him it was possible. The idea was to have the strings as an almost visual experience, where they're going along, falling, and exploding. We worked on three string parts in the end, and assigned them to three different channels on my Emu Vintage Keys. We were then able to adjust the volumes on the channels, bringing them up halfway through a chord, or pitch-bending a note without it affecting the others -- there was a lot of control data involved.

I suppose we spent a few weeks doing that, working every Friday night; and Goldie was on the phone every other night with new ideas for different bits. If we were working solidly, we might have had it done in one or two weeks, but I think it was good that we didn't, because we had the time to work on all the different ideas we had for the song.

I was living in Stevenage at the time and would give Goldie a ride back to London when we'd finished; we just kept rewinding the string section on the trip back, it was so gorgeous.

After a few weeks, we thought that it would be great if this was a really long track; I suggested that we should make it go up to the 40-minute limit for a single. Then I realised that on Notator, our sequencer, at the tempo we were using, the maximum length was 32 minutes! I was gutted; that was the end of my plan for a 40-minute track. It was too late to go and do it at half the tempo -- we had too much stuff already arranged.

We then put some drums in towards the end to give the strings more time to develop. It was then that I found this trick on the sampler that I don't think anyone has done since. The breakbeat is actually made up of two mono files on the sampler, which I adjusted separately, so that when I stuck them together, I had the break riding up and spinning around in the stereo soundfield. It sounded like nothing we'd ever heard, it was a revelation -- we listened to that for hours and hours.

We then added basslines, using some shocking subsonic parts, but trying to keep it fat as well. The way the three parts mixed into each other was also very important; like a DJ mixing two records, I wanted the transition to be smooth. I spent a long time connecting the three parts of 'Timeless'.

Eventually, we ended up with an instrumental version of the song, which to my mind was finished. With that version, we could just get from Stevenage to Goldie's house in the time the track took to finish. That was the goal; to get Goldie home without any rewinding!

I don't know when the vocals idea came into Goldie's plans, but he certainly didn't tell me about it until we'd done the whole track. In my head, I'd constructed it to have all the pieces come out and develop; I couldn't see where the vocals would fit in.

Diane Charlemagne came over and did the vocals, and we put them onto DAT and sampled the parts we wanted. I also reprocessed them; I think I put them through a Sonic Maximiser, to get that airiness in there. But it wasn't actually until I put them into the song that I thought, 'no, brilliant, they work perfectly'."
[b]Edited by: jnr_bryson

[tumbleweed]

Cheers for that Jnr,does Rob Playford still produce?Obviously a clever guy


maybe he can put some of my imagination to musichttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[jnr_bryson]

Cheers for that Jnr,does Rob Playford still produce?Obviously a clever guy


maybe he can put some of my imagination to musichttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif





i'm sure he does still do stuff. he's got something to do with that diesel music thing and i think he does stuff for compouter games and films. not 100% sure though.

[FOKI26]

Yeah, he calls himself timecode, and runs moving shadow....





A good read that one, also.....nice one.

[tumbleweed]

I must be behind the timeshttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley5.gif(I havent been inside a record shop for years)I thought moving shadow folded a while back

[FOKI26]

Nah, just gone a bit crap..... it's all Tech Itch, and growly numbers.....


There's a website where you can get in touch with Rob, i spoke to him about 2 months back as they're after demo's for MS.





Intercom however (EZ Rollers label, 60 Minute man etc) is an offshoot of M.Shadow tho.

[Tobes]

yeah i never understood how such a good label could turn so dark and awfull, i got loads of the old stuff and some real good bits, but most the stuff over the last few years havent impressed me, but i know rob knows good music, maybe this liquid scene which is growing fast will pick em up and inspirehim :smiley4:

[FOKI26]

Yeah, remember 'Flytronix - Contempory Acoustic Jam..... This tune killed me for about a year......http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/headbreak.gif

[Tobes]

man im sh*t with names, but trippin on broken beats was another classic http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/zaberdust.gif

[Lazarus]

Be nice to see GLO and Moving Shadow both running things again

[tumbleweed]

yeah i never understood how such a good label could turn so dark and awfull, i got loads of the old stuff and some real good bits, but most the stuff over the last few years havent impressed me, but i know rob knows good music, maybe this liquid scene which is growing fast will pick em up and inspirehim :smiley4:


funny tho tobes weve just been saying how basicallythe liquid thingmight of peaked already Ive got to admit its starting to sound a bit boring to my ears dunno why

[tumbleweed]

Be nice to see GLO and Moving Shadow both running things again heyhey howis it lazarus?

[Tobes]

no way man, what did you think of those tunes on that GLO mix i posted recently, oh yeah which some f**ker posted on their forumso i probably wont get free tunes through the post no more http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley7.gif

[tumbleweed]

what the switch radio thing?

[FOKI26]

Not so much that, but just more quality control.... Back in those days there weren't as many labels so crapper tunes never made it onto the shelves...


These days there's too many that get set up just on the back of one tune, and usually they're run by the artists themselves so they're obviously going to be biased to, and want to put out their own stuff (regardless what people think of it).

[FOKI26]

Soz, behind with the posts again....





What's this all about Tobes, you in trouble forposting up mixes????

[tumbleweed]

erm tobes


if you the switch radio that was partly my fault then I posted on scottish dnb forum after I found a Dr S Gachet mix on there didnt expect it to appear on there about 12hrs laterhttp://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley6.gifsorry if this is the case you found it in sum chatroomanyway didnt you?

[Tobes]

f**k it man, its not a problem, but obviously the link pointed straiht to my site, it was a radio set so not sure if they can get funny about that, no worries tumbles, wasnt winging at you promise :smiley4:

[Lazarus]

It was posted on Cov-Ops too Tobes. Not by me I hasten to add. Too savy to step on toes?

[Lazarus]

Yeah the liquid thing is tired, and was tired always I reckon...got a few nice tunes of that ilk, but its like anything there's nothing worse than people remaking the same tunes for two years.


Jealous of the Dam thing Tumbles...

[tumbleweed]

good

[tumbleweed]

http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gifI dont feel too guilty as I only posted a link to the forum suggesting a prog sesh could be found Tobes has forgiven me.We'll have to keep them a bit more exclusive nxt time:smiley2:


yeah liquid is getting over exposed am listenin to some deep sh*t last few days check out nookie stream on http://www.flux.fm/ san francisco deepness then a big liquid tune much better the peiter kaytunes well good download

[Tobes]

tumbles mate i diint have to forgive you mate you done nothing wrong man :smiley4:


you see the main thing with hot linking is the bandwidth it uses, basically other sites draining our bandwidth, but seeing as my server still hasnt shut the site down, they are obviously very flexible, as recently im using double the bandwidth im allowed every month and they have not said a thing, same as im using more space than im allowed :smiley3:


anyway its all good, i was more worried glo could ask me to remove the mix if they found out it was being hosted hear andmaybe get a bit assy, but the truth is i probably done them an a&r favor http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley16.gifas people liked that mix and gave some nice reviews .:smiley4:


peace to all the ITL crew http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley16.gif

[tumbleweed]

http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley16.gifI know just covering my arse

[puralocha]

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, do any of you remember omni trio ? i'm sure that's a rob
playford project .... it came out years ago, i remember it being
very clean and mellow but still hard edge ting like ...... im
pretty sure renegade snares was on it ..... the cd im talking about in
particular is "music for the new millenium" .... i think if i
listen again it'll be a bit dated but it is an old thing ...



or how about elizabeth troy ...... that was on S.O.U.R .... sound of
the underground records ...... "greater love" was the track ... man
that caused a havoc back in the day ....

[tumbleweed]

no thats Rob Haig (feckin genius)same label differant guy

[tumbleweed]

lazarus you should check the sauce direct mix with all pieter kay tunes http://www.flux.fm/if youre into that 720/blame kinda ting think this is much better &amp; from a production angle I think theres sh*t loads going on

[FOKI26]

Elizabeth Troy.... check out her track remixed by Raf &amp; Illogic called 'Forever Young'. This tune is enough to move you to tears, one of those shivers down the spine type tunes....proper bizness.





She also sings for MJ Cole 'Crazy Love', i met her purely by accident when MJ Cole was supporting Reprazent a few years back. She was really nice, and well fit also http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley32.gif!!!!!!

[tumbleweed]

I'll look out for that


checkout this I lifted from glo http://www.flux.fm/audio/sauce/SauceDirect_20040411.htmltodays favorite sound &amp; checkout the last tune for shivers (does it for me anyway)

[FOKI26]

Which one the Pieter K mix, or the other one....





Whatever happened to Pieter K's album ?


This was due out ages ago, and don't think it ever happened (or did it ?).


I'll be nipping into Breakbeat Science next week (hey hey :smiley2:!!!!), so think i'll do some digging for that one......

[Tobes]

im listening now :smiley2:safe tumbles, i agree there is a lot of scope on blames kinda stuff, i do buy 720 degrees tunes, but the last blame tune i heard was awfull , not sure what hes upto right now http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley5.gif

[Tobes]

damn i couldnt get past peter k's first tune http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley9.gifbut the sauce direct mix is sounding alright, well first tunes ok, aint got any further yet http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[tumbleweed]

Which one the Pieter K mix, or the other one....





http://www.flux.fm/audio/sauce/SauceDirect_20040411.htmlis the mix solely of pieter kay tunes

[FOKI26]

Just enquired about his album to B.Science.... i think it's only available on CD, but i'm gonna do my best to blag a copy on vinyl......





Have you seen the little figures on their site also (basically little figures made out of bits from decks!)


www.breakbeatscience.com (http://www.breakbeatscience.com)

[tumbleweed]

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[FOKI26]

Bad ass...... hands made from scratch carts also....





Not that i'm into playing with dolls, but i think i might just have to buy one of these to sit on my mixing desk and keep watch...

[tumbleweed]

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