midi file from reason into cubase (mute)

[crazygit1]

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-- I have saved audio from reason into a folder, then opened up cubase and imported it as a midi file, it all shows up in cubase but i cant seem to get any sound from it when i play it, the green bars go up and down as if there is sound but i cant hear it, am i doing something wrong?? The soundshould beconfiged as when i import as a audio file it works ok..

[Tobes]

easy crazygit,


well your midi file needs to be playing somthing, so even though youv imported the midi file, does cubase have a clue what its supposed to be triggering?


what is it your trying to trigger, vst instruments? external studio equiptment? internal sampler?


if you dont tell cubase what it is that midi file is supposed to trigger it will play the file but wont trigger any sounds, when your playing the wav the sound is there for it to play.


what is it you want to do with the midi file, is it a break, piano etc.


tell me what your tring to do exactly crazygit, i will try and help ya, im a logic audio user though, but i will try hard for you mate :smiley2:Edited by: Tobes

[crazygit1]

Basically ive made a whole tune on reason but wanted to do a bit of fine tuning, timestretching etc, so ive saved the reason tune into a file then uploaded it as a midi file into cubase so that i can try the whole cubase thing out, but just cant get any sound..

[Tobes]

hhhmm im not tottaly sure if it can be done, but you might be inluck as jcat the cubase and reason master has arrived, if yur lucky he might notice this thread.


hold tight mate:smiley2:

[gyromite]

yeah...can u get any sound out of cuebase even when u load a audio file??











if not u have to set ur sound card asio drivers....to whatever sound card u have....








i do the same thing ur talkin about doing....its pretty ez dude...soundz like its a asio prob....hit f4 and see what ur mixer is reading...if not i think f3 dose ur sound <asio> sh*t....let me know if that helped....if not we will get u going!!

[crazygit1]

yeah i can get sound if i import an audio file but not as a midi file mate

[gyromite]

thats strange....so why dot u just,use the audio? and load ur samps in there like that??u can still edit it an dsh*t....i mean thats what i do....i use reason for most everything...i pre master all my soundz....then after all of its done pretty much load teh sh*t in logic...or nenuendo...been useing nenuendo alot....

[Tobes]

you cant have your midi set up right mate, i dont use cubase so i cant help, but you need to make sure that the midi file is triggering something, if its not set up to know what to trigger it will do nout, just cos you see the input and output on cubase moving when it goes over the midi file it doesnt mean you will hear something if its not routed correctly/


read the help file to make sure its setup.


if ouve loadaed a midi file what is it that it is supposed to be playing sowe got an idea?


cheers mate:smiley4:

[Tobes]

actually reading your initial post you cant do what your trying to do mate, theres no way you can convert an audio file into a midi file, a midi file is just information, it will tel a keyboard to play a certain key at a certain time at a certain vitch and volume etc, you cant convert audio into a midid message, so you better stop trying http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif


your getting there mate, just do what gyromite is saying, save the loops as a wav http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley10.gif

[gyromite]

hey man i just went into reason been workin on some stuff ....and figured it out...





when u save ur loop///u can save it as a midi file....in reason then load that into sx////


so go to file...and solo ur sound....then export as midi file!http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley32.gif

[jcat]

Hi crazygit1,


I use SX and Reason together all the time, so I can give you some pointers. First let me just say that if you're working with SX you really need to make sure it's SX2, it so much better than SX it's just not funny! SX was a huge step forward for Steinberg, but SX2 really brings it up to spec with things like full Plugin Delay Compensation throughout the audio engine (including buses, fx returns, groups, rewire and everyting), and loads of other things too numerous to mention.





First off (and this is a personal thing) I never really use the sequencer in Reason, I prefer to use the sequencer in SX and make it trigger the instruments in Reason. This is done by making a virtual connecting from Reason to SX using something called ReWire.


Basically you open SX first, then open Reason at the same time, this makes Reason start in Slave Mode, which means it's synchronised with SX so that the BPM, Song Position, Start & Stop controls, and audio streams are all connected. Then , if you go to the devices menu in SX and click on Reason, you'll find a list of all the possible Reason inputs into the SX mixer, you can enable these one by one. The first Reason connection is a stereo pair, the rest are mono (but can be paired and panned in the SX mixer) These inputs into SX correspond to the Hardware outputs in Reason at the top of the rack, if you flick to the rear view you can plug a module into the hardware output and it will come out of the Reason input in SX (as long as you enabled that input in the Devices\Reason menu).


Once that's all set-up it allows you to do a couple of things. First, because you can route all the audio from Reason into separate channels in the SX mixer, you can use all the VST or DirectX plugins on individual instruments from Reason. Andsecond, you can use the SX sequencer do all the midi work, this is simply done by adding a new midi track and selecting one of the Reason modules from the list of Midi Outputs available in the Track Inspector (the left hand column that displays info on each track as it's selected). You can of course export midi tracks from Reason and import them into SX if you've already written part of the track in Reason, or simple use the Reason sequencer itself if you're more comfortable with it.


Ok, so that's got you to the stage where you can use the SX mixer to produce the track, and either the Reason or the SX sequencer to sequence. But you can't do any of the time stretching suff yet. For that, you need the bit you want to timestretch as a separate audio file. For that you must have the audio you want to mess about with routed to an SX mixer channel by itself, then solo that channel and put the SX left and right locators around the sequenced loop you want. So that if you hit play all you can here is the audio you want by itself looping around and around. Then simply go to File\Export\Audio Mixdown in SX and select the stereo output that your reason channel is routed to and export the appropriate format. Then you should be left with a singleaudio file containing just the loop you wanted, so you can stretch or do whatever you want to it. BTW the Time Stretching in SX is really excellent, the MPEX algorithm’s great.





Hope that helps a bit...





Cheers,


jcat

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[Tobes]

very very nice info there my man, nuff respect ..... http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley32.gif


that rewiring sounds hard core mate :smiley2:


cheers matey

[Lazarus]

Yeah they work together like tea and biscuits those two...


I don't like using the sequencer in Reason either....definatelky do it in Cubase...

[Oracle]

yeah...big up Laz for those pointers....a very informative posting indeed


thats something i wouldnt mind havingago at with Logic - using this rewire thingy...hummmm!!!


suppose it would help if i got stuck into reason first tho! http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[jcat]

yeah...big up Laz for those pointers....a very informative posting indeed


thats something i wouldnt mind havingago at with Logic - using this rewire thingy...hummmm!!!


suppose it would help if i got stuck into reason first tho! http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif





Yeah you're right, Laz's post about tea anf biscuits was more informative than my couple of hundred words...


http://www.itstooloud.com/webwiz/smileys/smiley19.gif


I don't know why I bother. http://www.itstooloud.com/webwiz/smileys/smiley2.gif





Cheers,


jcat
Edited by: jcat

[Tobes]

haha dont worry mate i noticed it was you,,,, http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[Tobes]

jay you entering the comp, dont try and pu**y out , you could get another dub in ya bag :smiley2:

[gyromite]

i use rewire a lil bit man....i like to bounce soundz....1 to save cpu....2 cuz i think u can get a better sound qual !!!!makin the sh*t a midi file looks like it could be cool as well....rewire has a bunch of kinks when u been running both programs for hours...tends 2 lock up!!!http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley5.gif but that sjust my opp....

[jcat]

Hmmm, I can use rewire for hours without a problem, not sure why you're having trouble but here's probably some sort of solution if you dig about...





Cheers,


jcat

[Tobes]

yeah probably the fact that he running a copy and your not j, ok im jumping to conclusions here but your one of the rare ones to use the proper dogle, copy'd software can give probs like that init http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley5.gif


not saying gyromite software is a copy, but it probably is http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[gyromite]

bwhahaha....thanks man....nah...i "can rewire" i dont....i think i can get a better sound qual from bouncing sounds!!that just imo....i have rewired alot of tunes...


and yes i have copyed programs....boom! i still dont have a prob with them ever!http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif

[jcat]

bwhahaha....thanks man....nah...i "can rewire" i dont....i think i can get a better sound qual from bouncing sounds!!that just imo....i have rewired alot of tunes...


and yes i have copyed programs....boom! i still dont have a prob with them ever!http://www.itstooloud.com/smileys/smiley36.gif







Apart form the locking up after two hours...http://www.itstooloud.com/webwiz/smileys/smiley4.gif





Cheers,


jcat